Depends on how much risk you're willing to accept and how important it is reach a sharp position. After 1 e4 c6 2 d4 d5 3 Nc3 dxe4 4 f3 transposes to a Blackmar-Diemer where black is committed to c6. And this is more forcing than the fantasy 3 f3 where black does not have to take and has options like 3...e6.
@lizani said in #11:
> Depends on how much risk you're willing to accept and how important it is reach a sharp position. After 1 e4 c6 2 d4 d5 3 Nc3 dxe4 4 f3 transposes to a Blackmar-Diemer where black is committed to c6. And this is more forcing than the fantasy 3 f3 where black does not have to take and has options like 3...e6.
It is paramount to reach a sharp position. Also, I regularly play the Blackmar-Diemer in response to the Scandi, so I'm familiar with its dynamics.
I'm just curious why you feel like Black is forced to play 3. dxe4?
> Depends on how much risk you're willing to accept and how important it is reach a sharp position. After 1 e4 c6 2 d4 d5 3 Nc3 dxe4 4 f3 transposes to a Blackmar-Diemer where black is committed to c6. And this is more forcing than the fantasy 3 f3 where black does not have to take and has options like 3...e6.
It is paramount to reach a sharp position. Also, I regularly play the Blackmar-Diemer in response to the Scandi, so I'm familiar with its dynamics.
I'm just curious why you feel like Black is forced to play 3. dxe4?
@mkubecek said in #2:
> Take a look at Panov-Botvinnik Attack (1. e4 c6 2. d4 d5 3. exd5 cxd5 4. c4). It allows white to reach open positions with potential for sharper tactical play.
I agree that the Panov reaches an open position out of the opening, but is it really that sharp? There's not much tension in the position, and the major imbalance is the IQP. Am I missing a continuation that leads to a sharp position that will force my opponent to calculate?
> Take a look at Panov-Botvinnik Attack (1. e4 c6 2. d4 d5 3. exd5 cxd5 4. c4). It allows white to reach open positions with potential for sharper tactical play.
I agree that the Panov reaches an open position out of the opening, but is it really that sharp? There's not much tension in the position, and the major imbalance is the IQP. Am I missing a continuation that leads to a sharp position that will force my opponent to calculate?
I was recently suggested 3. e5 Bf5 4. g4 followed by e6
2 Knights
Panov
Accelerated Panov
Tal Variation
Bayonet attack
So many sharp lines vs the CK.
Panov
Accelerated Panov
Tal Variation
Bayonet attack
So many sharp lines vs the CK.
Possible doesn't mean desirable in many cases trying too hard to get a sharp' position isn't always best
@ThunderClap said in #16:
> Possible doesn't mean desirable in many cases trying too hard to get a sharp' position isn't always best
I agree, but what if the opponent I'm preparing against plays significantly worse in sharp positions? Or said otherwise, significantly better when there are no tactical considerations to worry about?
> Possible doesn't mean desirable in many cases trying too hard to get a sharp' position isn't always best
I agree, but what if the opponent I'm preparing against plays significantly worse in sharp positions? Or said otherwise, significantly better when there are no tactical considerations to worry about?
@Sendrien That's what they want you to do' ... Something artificial . If you are saying you can't play ballanced logical chess vs this person you will tend to score 0 outta 10
@Sendrien said in #13:
> I agree that the Panov reaches an open position out of the opening, but is it really that sharp? There's not much tension in the position, and the major imbalance is the IQP. Am I missing a continuation that leads to a sharp position that will force my opponent to calculate?
I wouldn't say it lets you really force a sharp play like some other "wild" opening variations. The reason why I play it is that unlike the "normal" Caro-Kann lines, it tends to result in positions that I like more and have more potential for tactical play. But I'm sure there are other options allowing to force really sharp play (likely at the expense of risking more).
> I agree that the Panov reaches an open position out of the opening, but is it really that sharp? There's not much tension in the position, and the major imbalance is the IQP. Am I missing a continuation that leads to a sharp position that will force my opponent to calculate?
I wouldn't say it lets you really force a sharp play like some other "wild" opening variations. The reason why I play it is that unlike the "normal" Caro-Kann lines, it tends to result in positions that I like more and have more potential for tactical play. But I'm sure there are other options allowing to force really sharp play (likely at the expense of risking more).
@Sendrien said in #12:
> It is paramount to reach a sharp position. Also, I regularly play the Blackmar-Diemer in response to the Scandi, so I'm familiar with its dynamics.
>
> I'm just curious why you feel like Black is forced to play 3. dxe4?
What else? A Caro-Kann player will play 3...dxe4. The only decent alternative is 3...g6 transposing to the Gurgenidze Modern and Petrosian once drew Fischer in this line. For a while, White played 3 Nd2 instead of 3 Nc3 specifically due to this setup, as after 3...g6 White has the option of c2-c3 bolstering the centre. But nowadays 3...g6 isn't considered that good and 3 Nc3 has returned to being the preferred move order. You will get 3...dxe4 99/100 times.
> It is paramount to reach a sharp position. Also, I regularly play the Blackmar-Diemer in response to the Scandi, so I'm familiar with its dynamics.
>
> I'm just curious why you feel like Black is forced to play 3. dxe4?
What else? A Caro-Kann player will play 3...dxe4. The only decent alternative is 3...g6 transposing to the Gurgenidze Modern and Petrosian once drew Fischer in this line. For a while, White played 3 Nd2 instead of 3 Nc3 specifically due to this setup, as after 3...g6 White has the option of c2-c3 bolstering the centre. But nowadays 3...g6 isn't considered that good and 3 Nc3 has returned to being the preferred move order. You will get 3...dxe4 99/100 times.